10 Most Common Arguments Against Vegans
and How To Smash Them

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If you are Vegan, you’ve DEFINITELY encountered the 10 most common anti Vegan arguments.

But, how do we actually crush these arguments with death-defying logic every time?

OH, NOOO!!! He’s Coming!!!!!! 

A tyrannosaurus-non-vegan who has anti-vegan arguments brewing, just waiting to be HARPOONED in our general direction!

I can see his sharp words just waiting to intellectually CUT and BUTCHER their way through my protein deficient brain!

Here we go again…but this time, it’s Bob. Not Bob! I loved Bob!! I thought Bob understood Veganism…at least some of it.

He thinks he has a good enough anti-vegan argument to engage in an impromptu debate. Damn it Bob! Never jump into an argument with a logical Vegan (Most of us).

And here I thought when he nodded his head along every time I championed almond milk or nut cheese, he was agreeing! 😥 He even mustered a gutteral ‘Mhm,’ when I talked about veal and lamb being baby cow and sheep!

Oh, Bob. Poor Bob. Here we go again…To be fair to Bob though, I get it. Most of us were in his exact shoes after all. Without further adieu, Bob – takes his first STAB:

“We come from Cavemen!”

Announces Bob with a husky bellow.

I take a moment to nod, letting Bob feel how I am willing to listen. Though, what I really want to say is – Kumbaya and Namafuckinste Bob! This is a logical dissection, not an emotional tirade.

If I can stay cool, calm and collected while you force feed innocent-tortured-loving animals down your throat, the least you can do is pretend to have an objective, logical discussion with me! No?!


BUT, I dare not say that for fear of being labeled ‘Vegan crazy’. The kind of crazy that defends the innocent victims of this world only to be scoffed at and ridiculed.

Crazy sounds so sensible when put like that. I digress.

First, win over our non-vegan friend’s consideration by giving a kind concession. 


“I’ll concede your point, Bob. Maybe we did come from and evolve from cavemen, i.e. some form of meat eating humans at one point in our evolutionary chain.”

  • Bob, thrown off by conceding a point first brings his guard down enough to wonder if we may end up more than acquaintances, but less than sexual partners. What he really wants is to be able to say that he actually has a Vegan friend, when justifying his eating habits to other blood suckers.


“I think it is fair to point out we also evolved our hygiene, treatment of women, writing ability, reading skills, and the majority of everything else we do today.”

  • Obviously, so Bob nods cautiously.

“The key word is evolution though, not cavemen. So, how can we focus on a small percent of our evolutionary history, without highlighting the other 95% of how far we have come? That was a trick question Bob. We can’t. We have to look at the whole picture, and I think that is fair to do, don’t you?”

  • Bob nods. Fair warning, he is a little lost, because logic is working against his hairy surefooted position.


“And to be fair, we also evolved past cannibalism (We hope…). Many early humans and cavemen supplemented their diets by eating each other. Scientists even found cavemen burial sites where human bones had human teeth marks. 

And if we ever did decide to eat humans again for some – ‘cavemen did it too’ reason – scientists suggest that eating each other can create sponge like holes in our brains, a condition known as transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, (Bonus Points) basically destroying our minds.”

  • Bob may never know what transmissible spongiform encephalopathies is, and this is not to sound smarter than him – it is to show that I have done more work, research, and critical thinking than his ten minutes steaming over his last cup of coffee.


“So, even if we evolved from cavemen, does that mean we should use them as the perfect example for…our hygiene? I think we both would agree probably not. So, let’s consider the whole of our evolutionary tale, rather than cherry pick a convenient point. We’ve evolved so much beyond a caveman’s way of life in all other ways, maybe it’s time to look at our unnecessary exploitation of animals as another element we’re ready to evolve from.”

“BUT! We have K-9 Teeth, like a Lion!”

Roars Bob.

“Fair enough. You’re right Bob. We have what many classify as canine (not K-9) teeth.

  • Bob is caught off guard again! But he thinks he has us this time!


“But Bob, let’s take a look at animals other than lions who have canine teeth. Have you seen a gorilla’s canine teeth?”

  • Bob nods, though he is unsure if he is being baited like the defenseless cricket on the end of his fishing hook.

“Wouldn’t you agree that we are more likely related to gorillas than lions on the evolutionary chain?”

  • Bob nods again.

“Then let’s compare our canine teeth to that of a gorilla if we are going to play fair. And a gorilla eats 98% vegetation. Very much an herbivore.”

  • Bob jumps in, “What about the other 2%! See, they have K-9s for raw meat!”

“Oh, Bob. The canines are generally for breaking into nuts, skins of fruit or scraping tree bark. And the 2% non vegetation is bugs. They eat an occasional bug, not rabbits, squirrels and zebras.”


“And to keep everything on an even playing field Bob, if we are going to discuss canine teeth, it probably would be in our intellectual advantage to then also discuss our jaw motion and the length of our intestines.”

  • Bob scratches his underbelly, unsure how to proceed with this new line of thinking.

“Like other herbivores our jaw goes side to side to chew food – such as vegetation, and especially fruit, where as a carnivore’s rips and swallows, chomping up and down. And if you look at a lion’s intestines, it is maybe one to two times their length, whereas humans have intestines nine times their body length. This is so rotting flesh can pass through faster in actual carnivores.”

  • “We are omnivores, not carnivores. Everyone knows that!” Bob champions.


“Are we? We have no claws to catch prey. We are too slow to catch anything by running it down. Our jaws move side to side like a cow’s and our canines are almost non existent. Our intestines are designed like an animal that eats mostly fruits, nuts, seeds and vegetation, and we have less health issues when we just eat from plants. I mean an oldie but a goodie is the American grandparent classic – ‘just eat your vegetables,’ no one says ‘devour that large chunk of dead animal or else.'”

“The Bible says…And J..J..Jesus…” 

Smites out Bob.


“Let me just stop you right there. Now, I love what the Bible expresses some of the time – just like the next person. Love Thy Neighbor, help the poor, don’t cheat on your wife – things I think we can all generally agree on, regardless of ‘religious’ beliefs.

  • Bob, gains a newfound intrigue and wants to ask if I am a Christian. For the writing of this blog post’s sake, we are going to skip that one.


“If we are in fact going to source a version of the Bible – what are your thoughts on the Garden of Eden?”

  • It’s good to show Bob that I am interested in his opinion too.

“The Garden of Eden was the perfect paradise I imagine. It was a place where there was no sin. No murder. And food was abundant and easily accessible. Adam and Eve lived in harmony with all the animals, and in a way may not have ever needed to use and abuse animals, had they not sinned in the first place.”


“But, if we dig into the Bible’s actual construct, what we can prove is that it is a book that was re-written more times than we can count and even God himself seemed to have a change of heart from the Old to the New Testament – from stoning people for very low level sins God to turn the other cheek Yahweh . So I think it is safe to say, that whatever we find there, in whichever version we source it should be taken with a grain of salt – and no I don’t mean from Lot’s Wife. (A Genesis reference, woman turns into mound of salt for looking the wrong direction. Oh, Old Testament God).”

  • Bob becomes impressed that I know a Bible story he hasn’t thought about in years. He considers inviting me to his Church to meet his pastor.


“Just some thoughts Bob, but using the Bible to justify our exploitation of animals seems like a stretch. I think the contradictions within that piece of literature prove that it is allegorical much of the time. And if it were God’s word originally, which just maybe it was – how do we actually know the sinful men who transcribed it since haven’t made a mockery of what God originally intended to say? We don’t. We can’t. And to be honest, I prefer the all loving God. If he was all loving, would he give us permission to torture, enslave, rape and kill all the wonderful animals he created? I don’t think an all loving God meant for us to stick our hand deep inside a cow’s vagina to impregnate her with Bull semen, do you?”

  • I let the visual do the talking, as Bob’s face squirms. 


“So! Nature is cruel!” 

Swings Bob of the Jungle. 


“Oh, yes. Oh, yes it is. That is the best point you’ve made, and I mean that. Nature is BRUTAL! It is horrifyingly brutal.”

  • Once again, Bob is in awe of a Vegan agreeing with something he pointed out. Not because it comes from a Vegan, but because he was brainwashed to believe that Vegans are irrational, emotional nut jobs. The furthest thing from the truth…most of the time. 


“Nature is brutal to life, that is for sure. But, my question is does that give us as humans the right to be just as brutal? Because a tornado destroys my house, does that give me permission to blow up yours Bob? Of course not. And if you look at nature’s brutality, it generally does not involve purposeful torture over long periods of time. Humans have raised animals and even enslaved people for their entire existence. Nature is rarely so cruel.”

  • “Yeah, but that’s my point too! People are just brutal and cruel. It’s in their nature!” demands Bob.


“I think we’ve already established that nature being brutal does not give us permission to choose to actively be brutal and cruel too. Besides, maybe human nature is not actually brutal. Maybe it is nature surrounding us with brutality that convinces humans to justify brutal choices. A product of our environment so to speak. If we recognize this environment, we can choose not to be brutal when we do not have to be. Nature is brutal by necessity it seems. Humans do not have to mimic their mother.”

  • “I never thought of it like that. We should choose to not be brutal if we don’t have to be,” concedes Bob for the first time.


“Exactly Bob! Nature is brutal enough without us trying so hard to compete with it. If we don’t need to brutalize a dog, cat, horse, farm animals or wild ones…then why would we try to justify that? And if other animals are brutal to one another or even toward us, maybe it is our role on this planet to not be brutal back. Turn the other cheek so to speak. What would Jesus do, Bob? We can turn our ‘brutal nature’ toward compassion, because we are humans and not animals. Why would we stoop to the lowest of lows if we don’t have to? ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ even Old Testament God agreed with.”  

“But, what if you were stranded on an island?”

Anchors Bob. 


“That’s a good point Bob. Surely being stranded on a deserted island might prove too difficult to prioritize compassion and peace, especially if facing extreme thirst and starvation.”

  • God! Bob loves this part of my rebuttals! But, wait.


“That said, what are the chances of A) me being stranded on a deserted island, and B) getting stranded on a deserted island with animals I can eat, but I can’t eat what they eat? I would guess that not only is it unlikely, but that if a random pig, squirrel or bird was there for the eating – I might be able to find something to graze on that that animal eats?”

  • Bob gets annoyed, “But what if there was no food at all, and just a cow!?”


“Though that seems beyond unlikely, if I had no other food I would consider eating the cow at the very last moment, but only to survive.”

  • “Aha! Got you!” Bob announces in a winning first place in the science project type voice.

“Did you Bob!? Because the truth is – I was kidding! I would not eat the cow, because I work to not be so selfish. The cow is not going to try to eat me, so why should I try to eat him? So I can survive? How long will I even survive stranded? Would you kill your loved ones if you were starving? Probably not. You would starve yourself, before you would take a knife and slit your baby’s throat. Well, on my deserted island, this cow has as much right to his life as I do mine. I prefer to make the cow my friend. It can get lonely on islands when you are stranded.

And if I am dumb enough to get stranded on a deserted island with just a cow and nothing else to possibly survive on – maybe I don’t deserve to live. Not at the cost of taking a life that does not want to be taken.”

  • Bob thinks he may have gotten to me, since he believes his ludicrous deserted island situation is the perfect slice of Fuck Vegans.


“But, Bob even if I was to concede and kill that cow and eat him, when I was rescued by you after bravely rowing across the atlantic to save me, I would no longer need to hurt any animals to feed on. You would have plenty of fruits, nuts and veggies at your house to satiate my appetite. I thank you for being my hero, but as soon as I got off the island I would have no need to even consider eating an animal ever again. A one day animal killer perhaps. The rest of my life Vegan!”

“You can’t live like that! You need protein and Vitamin B-12!” 

Rams Bob down my throat. 


“Fuck you Bob. I just mean… Fuuuck you for getting so damn good at these arguments. You are 100% right. I can’t disagree an iota. We all need protein and B12. We need both to live and be healthy.”

  • I scared Bob there for a moment. But, since I played it off perfectly he takes my applause with gratitude.


“Now, what is interesting about B12 is, that it is produced by a bacteria. This bacteria is found in some animals, plants and in the ground. We all need B12 to be healthy, but it is a microorganism that can exist without animals and is generally best found in supplements or fortified foods, because even meat eaters are found to be B12 deficient more often than one might expect.”

  • “To be honest, I never knew what B12 was until I heard it on a Fuck Vegans Podcast.”

“That is to be expected, Bob.”


“Now, about protein. A typical portion of chicken has the same amount of protein as a meal with lentils, broccoli and brown rice. And in that meal, that is over half your days worth of protein intake needed. Add in some almonds to snack on, a grain filled cereal with chia seeds and hemp milk and maybe some delicious avocado toast – and you will get your protein fix for the day. If you want to do the raw numbers, 26-35 grams of protein for the piece of chicken and 50 grams of protein for all the above without the chicken. The average woman needs about 46 grams of protein and the average man about 56 grams. Add in a pea protein shake and a peanut butter sandwich, and you might be on your way to bulking up with no animal protein even needed!”

  • “I didn’t know there was so much protein in so many different things,” musters Bob.


“Oh, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. There is protein in all kinds of veggies, nuts, seeds and legumes. And they are complete proteins too. Let’s not forget about the gorillas Bob. They eat 98% vegetation and are TEN times stronger than you or I. I don’t know about you, but I want what they are eating – oh and that is fruits, veggies and plants.”

“Bacon though! You don’t understand. BACON BACON BACON! And I can’t give up cheese!” 

Sizzles out Bob. 


“Oh, Bob. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the taste, texture, smell and deliciousness of both those things!”

  • Bob hesitates, “You do?”


“Well, yes. And I did. It’s been awhile since I’ve had those addictive things. There are great replacements though! More on that another time. What I want to say is what we are really talking about is flavors, tastes and things that our mouth tells our brain tastes and feels good. That is all.”

  • “Yeah. And it is so delicious!!!! All of it!!!! I could never be Vegan,” Bob groans.


“I said the same thing!!! It’s like you are speaking through my five year ago self! Amazing spiritual animal you have there. The thing is Bob, if I gave you a bowl of soup right now – the best soup you’ve ever tasted – flavorful, rich and had the perfect amount of salt and spice – would you care what was in it?”

  • Bob hesitates, “Maybe.”

“If I told you it was all natural, you would probably start to feel better. But, what if I told you the key ingredient in this world acclaimed stew was Golden Retriever. And not just any Golden Retriever, it has to be a special kind of Golden Retriever only found at homes where they were raised as pets – because they are treated so well at people’s homes, like family, that their flesh is fall-off-the-bone perfect and full of nutrients unlike any farm animal you’ve ever tasted.”

  • “I would probably pass on that then,” Bob concedes.


  • “Exactly. Maybe dog is delicious. Maybe better than steak. I wouldn’t know, I haven’t tried it. But, why are we prioritizing taste over where something came from and neglecting even healthier alternatives? Maybe my cat Calvin is out of this world delicious when cooked and covered in a mushroom gravy, but I think I’d rather stick with just a mushroom dish and keep Calvin as my friendly cuddle buddy – no matter how delicious he could taste. Besides, why eat something when I can relate to the pain and suffering it will go through to get on my plate?”

“Plants have feelings too!!!!” 

Emotes Bob. 


“Good point Bob. You are probably right. I think plants can feel. I think they feel a lot more than we give them credit for.”

  • Bob still feels like he is winning the argument, just because of these initial concessions alone. But, is he?


“If we are going to talk about plants having feelings, shouldn’t we clarify what kind of feelings we are talking about?”

  • Bob nods.

“Unfortunately, plants do not have a central nervous system. What is a central nervous system? Well, it is defined as the complex of nerve tissues that includes the brain and spinal cord. Plants do not have an intricate system of pain indicators basically. Aren’t they lucky. So, to talk about pain, we have to clarify that plants simply cannot feel the same kind of pain you or I or our pets or farm animals can. We can experience traumatic pain, and that is something we all agree on.”

  • Bob doesn’t disagree.


“And even if I was to agree that plants somehow feel the same pain as you or I, how does that justify us hurting, torturing and killing animals – living things we all agree can feel our kind of pain? The answer is, it doesn’t. Whether plants feel pain or not is irrelevant to if we should unnecessarily harm animals or not. If anything, perhaps we should consider being more cautious with how we exploit plants too, if they do in fact feel as much pain as you seem to have expressed. We could always just wait until the fruit drops so to speak.”

  • “No! Please no! Fine, fine. Plants don’t feel as much pain. I don’t know if I could handle you trying to convince me to eat only fruit fallen from trees.”


“And for today’s argument, I won’t. But Bob, if I gave you an option between a vegetable you had to pull out of the ground from its roots, a piglet you had to slit its throat or a plate full of fallen juicy fruit, which one would you choose to eat? The plate of fallen fruit of course. So, I think it’s safe to say that when opportunities to choose are abundant, we always go with the least harmful option to other living things. We don’t need to pull the plant out by the roots and we don’t need to slaughter the pig – not when we have a plate full of ready to eat fruit in front of us. So maybe it is time we all consider choosing to eat or take advantage of only that which causes the least amount of pain and suffering to all living things.”

“Don’t push your beliefs on people!!” 

Boils Bob. 


“I agree 100% Bob. No one should push their beliefs on anyone. It is unfair to do so.”

  • “Thank you! That means a lot,” Bob musters out.


“We should never push our beliefs on people, however beliefs are all relative. I think it is fair to say that some people’s beliefs are grounded in proveable scientific fact, logic and objective reasoning and others have beliefs rooted in arbitrary feelings, imaginary reality and archaic non-proveable perspectives. Which is more beneficial to our prosperity as a species, the one that helped us understand how to fly by being realistic with what we did and did not understand about flying, or the one that has us blindly jumping off a cliff barenaked hoping to catch a good wind with the flab under our arms?”

  • “Well, the smarter way is the better way,” Bob guesses.


“Exactly. And the ‘smarter’ way as you put it Bob is the one where we don’t need a strong belief to relatively prove what it is we think. Beliefs inevitably become irrefutable – not because of their source, but because I arbitrarily declare so! I would never tell you to do something because I say so. What I would do is point out that the very source of my beliefs versus yours is different. I don’t believe we should all be vegan. I simply think, based on all the relative information we have at our fingertips that going to a plant based way of living is better for the environment, our health and CLEARLY for the animals we torture and kill. It’s not a belief, nearly as much as it is based on a dearth of rational thought, compassion, selflessness and objective science.”

  • “But even those things you mentioned take a leap of faith to some degree.”


“Look at you Bob with the deep logic stab! Way to go there! That said, maybe you are right. But, I think I could make a perfect point that based on our history, our genetics, what we naturally feel, think and do we all value the same basic things: Like water, food, safety, avoiding pain and needing social acceptance. Basically all survival related things. We’re trying to survive. That is a fact, not a belief. Every human in history has worked to survive – to live.

And guess who else is trying to survive? Every other living thing on this Earth. If we have options to help them survive at no expense to our own health – it seems the objective, fair, compassionate and truthful answer is if we don’t have to hurt something, we shouldn’t try to hurt something. And that ‘belief’ is something the vast majority of us naturally believe in without even thinking through it first. It’s a win win whether you prioritize beliefs or not.”

“Okay fine, but nothing will ever change!” 

Reflects Bob. 


“Maybe you are right. Maybe nothing will ever change.”


“But nothing can change if we use that logic. Can you get a different job if nothing ever changes? How about find a new place to live? Can you learn something different?”


“The reality is Bob – everything in life is about change. Have you changed at all since you were five years old? Of course you have. Just in this conversation, you have changed, just look at the before and after pictures. You have personally changed many times and will probably continue to do so. The real problem is thinking that change is not possible. What that thinking is really suggesting is that you think if something is difficult, then it is not worth trying to change. And to be honest with you Bob, if you think changing toward a more fair, just, peaceful, loving and logical way of living is not worth the challenge – then I sadly don’t have anything left to say.”

  • Bob wonders if a Vegan finally gave up on him. Not so fast Bob. 


“But, I don’t think that’s you Bob. I think you do care. I think you think the world can change for the better, because you’ve experienced it first hand. People are always surprising us with the wonderful things they do, that they did not do once before. That is change! And change is necessary for our survival.

We have to grow out of our diapers Bob, if we want to maximize our potential. Already, we evolved out of caves so that we had a better chance of survival. We began prioritizing people and societies and peace and justice so that we all could work together to create a better world. We looked to build on our intelligence through science and objective thought so that we could better overcome nature’s cruelty, and avoid becoming that which we worked to protect ourselves from.

Even the likes of Da Vinci, Einstein, Gandhi and Nikola Tesla advocated for a world free from exploiting animals. Based on what they understood about our nature and the nature of the universe – it was in humanity’s best interest to be peaceful advocates of animals over exploiters and killers. And with how smart we are today Bob, we have the ability to eat so much food that did not derive from animals, that for us not to makes us into the cruel cavemen we claim not to be.

I don’t know about you Bob, but I am grateful we evolved to learn to take showers – because we have the means to. Well, we have the means now to not rely on exploiting animals for our food, clothes and labor. We have machines that can help us produce what we need to survive and thus we can evolve to our greatest role on this planet, which may be as peaceful protectors. We can be observers, ambassadors, lovers and do-gooders because there is no longer any need to even consider causing harm to any living thing, since we are not stranded on a deserted island.

Maybe, just maybe we are on the precipice of returning to the Garden of Eden, by way of changing the world around us to one of peace and of a fruitful abundance. But that will continue to take thoughtful nurture, not our unconscious nature.

We have to embrace change and intelligence. We have to embrace an objective reality that suggests if we do not need to cause harm to something, we should actively choose not to cause such harm. Because at the end of the day Bob, isn’t that how you would want to be treated?

If the roles were reversed, and a lion could eat anything he wanted and feel good, but instead he decided to hunt you down just because he could, how would you like that? He chose to capture you, to enslave your family and to keep you locked in a cage until he was ready to eat you. He forcefully impregnated your wife so that generation after generation would produce babies he could force feed Oreos, to fatten them up and slaughter them when he so desired. Not because that was the lion’s only option, but because the lion chose you and your family to exploit – even though there were so many options naturally around him.

I don’t intend to ever act like a lion, not in this circumstance nor in our real one. I would hope you would consider the same. Because you are not a lion Bob. None of us are.

Veganism is a mind shift, a culture shift. It is about understanding first and foremost. It is about seeking intelligence in our actions and finding the most compassionate way of life that we can. Nothing will ever be perfect Bob, but if we don’t give positive change a try, we can guarantee we will never get close to the Garden of Eden, and so humanity will tragically succumb to its own shortcomings, or dare I say sins. I think we have greater potential than that and it starts with us being less cruel every opportunity we get.

I’m glad you took the time to hear me out Bob. I thank you. But, more importantly take a look at your pets at home and watch them. They want to live just like you or I. They want to play, eat, sleep and feel good. You would be up in arms if someone came in and murdered them for Golden Retriever stew. And if that day came, I would be on your side. I would choose to save your dog’s life over protecting someone else’s addiction to flavor any day – all because that was THEIR belief. Their beliefs caused unnecessary harm to a living creature that wanted to live. Our belief helped to make another life feel good. 

Your dog, my pig, their horse, her cow. They are all feeling and have loved ones, mothers and children. They make friends and give us their trust. All they want is to live. I couldn’t stomach eating someone that only wants to love and be loved, someone that trusts me to be fair, compassionate and just. And deep down Bob, you can’t either.

So before thinking Veganism is some cult,  irrational-emotional tirade or simple diet – know from my words that it is way more than most think it is. It is a well thought out logical deduction. It is about objective reality, truth, compassion and peace. Maybe it is a word to you, but to those of us who understand where it derives from – it is a cultural revolution. One where I would actually give my shirt off my back for you and wash your feet. Not because I should or I am scared of going to eternal damnation if I don’t, but because I want to make you feel good. I want to make you feel valued, to feel respected. I want you to feel loved. And all of this extends to all life on Earth and through this vast Universe.

Nature is perceived cruel because it doesn’t have a conscience. We don’t have to be like nature, because we have one. Choose peace Bob. And let’s live it together through all of our actions, starting with where we put our dollars and how we stuff our plates.

Now give me those hairy feet and let me wash the caveman away. It’s all I can offer you Bob. At some point, you have to meet me halfway.

When ready, check out our Vegan Starter guide or pass it along to a friend that wants to give it a try!”

About the Author
About the Author

Anja went vegan overnight in 2013 and started her zero waste journey in 2016. Since then she has worked with well known vegans such as JAMES CAMERON, SHAUN MONSON and JOAQUIN PHOENIX. She also runs a successful instagram page devoted to Zero Waste and Veganism. To find out more click on the image.

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